Thank you. I honestly needed that laugh today. Just found out this afternoon that my boss, who had just bought the pizza place I work at back in January, died on a cruise over the weekend.
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Unless the next ep shows something explicit one way or another, I’m head-canon-ing that they consummated the relationship between Episode 6 and 7.
Episode 5??? ABSOLUTELY, UNBELIEVABLY, FANTASTIC!!!!
I felt like I was watching a George Lucas episode of Star Wars.
The flashbacks and clone wars rememberances are perfection to the story line.
Anakin's training lessons and his new found ability to teach Ashoka the truth about fighting a war was incredible.
Also, the way Anakin would morph back and forth from Anakin to Darth Vader was the perfect touch for Ashoka's
training. This transfiguration forced Ashoka to confront her fear of death and accept the reality of the brutalities
of war.
The fight scenes, including the clone wars battles and siege of Mandalore are straight out of a George Lucas script.
Filoni redeemed himself with this episode.
Now for my negatives and I only have three.
The child actress playing Ahsoka doesn't look anything like young Ashoka. A good actor but a lame choice from an appearance standpoint.
Anakin's de-aging was poor at times.
Lastly. Thrawn. Lars Mickelson is the absolute worst choice for this character.
His mannerisms, voice tone, speech diction and all around impersonation is the complete opposite of what we have read in the books and saw in Star Wars Rebels.
Shall I continue? His hair is all wrong. The top of his head looks like a cruise ship listing terribly to the port side and is about to tip over.
The blue paint job looks exactly like that. A bad blue paint job. The paint is caked on and looks nothing like a natural skin hue.
Dudsney's budget must have required the make up department to use a can of Krylon purchased from Earl Scheib.
I'm not going to get into why does Thrawn have a beer belly.
I felt like I was watching a George Lucas episode of Star Wars.
The flashbacks and clone wars rememberances are perfection to the story line.
Anakin's training lessons and his new found ability to teach Ashoka the truth about fighting a war was incredible.
Also, the way Anakin would morph back and forth from Anakin to Darth Vader was the perfect touch for Ashoka's
training. This transfiguration forced Ashoka to confront her fear of death and accept the reality of the brutalities
of war.
The fight scenes, including the clone wars battles and siege of Mandalore are straight out of a George Lucas script.
Filoni redeemed himself with this episode.
Now for my negatives and I only have three.
The child actress playing Ahsoka doesn't look anything like young Ashoka. A good actor but a lame choice from an appearance standpoint.
Anakin's de-aging was poor at times.
Lastly. Thrawn. Lars Mickelson is the absolute worst choice for this character.
His mannerisms, voice tone, speech diction and all around impersonation is the complete opposite of what we have read in the books and saw in Star Wars Rebels.
Shall I continue? His hair is all wrong. The top of his head looks like a cruise ship listing terribly to the port side and is about to tip over.
The blue paint job looks exactly like that. A bad blue paint job. The paint is caked on and looks nothing like a natural skin hue.
Dudsney's budget must have required the make up department to use a can of Krylon purchased from Earl Scheib.
I'm not going to get into why does Thrawn have a beer belly.
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Who cares?
Unless we get the whole Kanan sacrifice and Sabine is pregnant then such matters have no bearing on the story.
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Age.
Maybe this is just my take but during Rebels I always though Sabine & Ezra we’re hooking up off screen as it was a “kids” show.
Apparently I am wrong.
Apparently I am wrong.
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Sure it is. Or was. Yoda talks so funny because in the centuries he has lived, speech patterns changed.
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I don’t think Ezra would be dumb enough to try anything while he was helping out Clan Wren. Ursa would’ve probably had him killed on the spot.
Afterwards?
But the lack of any smoochie-facing this past episode makes me think they really didn’t do much of that, if at all. They were, what, late teens/early adults during Rebels?
Now? They’re grown adults, so more acceptable at this point.
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I mean, I know that was the intent but that never came out on screen.
In the Star Wars galaxy, we rarely see such monumental shifts as one would expect.
I think this last episode was the best one so far. Maybe because Ahsoka was nearly not in it?
Kidding, I liked it because of the night sisters story and I can't wait for more. I really wish and hope Darth maul is in this in some form
Kidding, I liked it because of the night sisters story and I can't wait for more. I really wish and hope Darth maul is in this in some form
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Kanan and Hera certainly were.
First of all, thank you for taking the time to write all this.
So there's more to Peridea, and that's exactly my problem. All in all, this "far, far away" galaxy is no more alien than any other SW planet in the GFFA (which should henceforth be known as the GNTFFA for Galaxy Not That Far, Far Away?). There is tech, sentient creatures, some with a rich history and who speak the same language as our heroes (and villains). It's not an untouchable, remote world, it's your average Star Wars planet, really. Less alien or hostile than Hoth or Dagobah.
So I'm doubting the reasons why the ever smart and resourceful Thrawn hasn't been able to come up with a better plan to return than waiting ten years for Elsbeth to bail him out. Which I believe is what he did, taking into account that he promised the Nightsisters that Elsbeth would come one day. It seems very unlike Thrawn to place his fate in the hands of a minion whom he doesn't even seem to trust fully, based on their later interactions.
Of course, the "best life" comment was a gross exaggeration. He has been alone, without his friends, probably spending long days avoiding capture or death at the hands of Thrawn's troops and pirates... But again what I meant was that he is on a world where he could just accept his fate and live a somewhat fulfilling existence: He has found a friendly people who have access to some level of technology, know the land and took him in, he's not just a stranded hermit who has to talk to himself for company, fight daily for food and water and deal with a host of alien monsters and diseases. When you think about it, Obi-Wan's self-imposed exile on Tattooine where most people regarded him as the sand dune fool and left him all alone made for a far worse fate.
Yes, Elsbeth needed the map, the show is clear on that. My point was that Filoni or whoever came up with the map subplot wasted far too much time on the hunt for it when it turns out Elsbeth already had a major connection to that other world, which could have explained how she found Thrawn. Via studying the Purgills, her magical connection to the Nightsisters or her plans with Thrawn. And instead of hunting for yet another boring star map, it could all have been a hunt for Elsbeth instead, maybe.
As for the nature of the artifacts Thrawn takes from the catacombs, again it looks like Elsbeth designed the Hyperspace Ring already knowing what to expect. It's not like she just went in expecting to pick up a stranded Thrawn in worn boots, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Hyperspace Ring is exactly the right size to accommodate his star destroyer, filled with troops and whatever else was in those catacombs.
For someone who hasn't watched Rebels, it hints at Thrawn and Elsbeth already having hatched a plan about Peridea before he disappeared there, or that they managed to communicate somehow while Thrawn was stuck there. Both of which beg the question: Why was it so hard for Elsbeth to find Peridea, especially when she has such a personal connection to this world and already knows so much about it, including its name and history?
Elsbeth knew about this planet (well), Baylan knew about it (a little less). It seems information about that planet is readily available in the GFFA, and both always knew Thrawn was trapped there, they just didn't know how to reach it. Even though they seem to know, for instance, that the purgills go there to die. Convenient.
Sabine does not represent a threat unarmed and in handcuffs. So if Thrawn doesn't care about Ezra or her, the only use she could really be of is in helping figuring out whether Baylan and Hati are truly loyal to him rather than the Jedi. And the best way he comes up with to know it is... sending the two after a rearmored and rearmed Sabine, alone and unsupervised. Seems rather trusting for Thrawn.
Unless he was just counting on the four of them dying on that planet, but again there were quicker ways to go about that since he knew Ezra's approximate current location, had Sabine in cuffs and all his troopers + the Jedi-hating Nightsisters and their tech by his side to handle Baylan and Hati. But I don't believe he wants Baylan and Hati dead, that would be very unlike Thrawn to rid himself of powerful new allies without knowing the first thing about them.
Test them for what purpose if he's just going to maroon them anyway? My point is exactly that Thrawn seems either at a loss for what to do or just makes inane decisions on the spot.
If he wanted Ezra dead, Ezra would be dead. If he wanted Sabine dead, he could have shot her there and then. If he wanted Baylan and Hati dead, the same. If he wants Ezra to suffer a fate worse than death (stranded on a remote world forever) all he has to do is leave, why waste Baylan and Hati's potential by sending them after him? If he wants all four characters stranded on Peridea, again all he has to do is tie them to a rock or let them wander about on their own wild goose chase.
Instead he takes the worst decision: If you're going to antagonize four powerful Force users why would you bring them all together to team up and work against yourself? So why send Sabine in the right direction toward Ezra? Why send Baylan and Hati after them as opposed to letting them track down whatever else they're after on that planet?
Whichever way I look at it, I see a faulty strategy.
Ezra is doing such a fine job hiding that Thrawn has intel on his current whereabouts, even though his caravan keeps traveling from place to place. As far as I can tell, Thrawn has always been keeping tabs on Ezra and has been tracking him through pirate intel forever. Yet the show seems to tell us that Thrawn cares not a lick for Ezra's fate. Which is fine, he's just being prudent I guess. But again, he has no valid reason to unite four characters he doesn't trust if he can pick them off while they are uncoordinated and fighting each other.
Nothing was lost anyway. Don't send Sabine after Ezra, don't send Baylan and Hati after her. Keep your two squads of loyal troopers. Kill Sabine, leave Baylan and Hati to their own devices or kill them too if you don't need them or trust them, and leave the planet.
I realize how frivolous it is to nitpick each and every decision, but the point I'm trying to make is not that the characters are stupid, but rather that the writer hatched a plot that is far too convoluted when something simpler, more streamlined, would have yielded the exact same result without stretching my suspension of disbelief - whish is my own, by definition, I don't expect others to feel the same way.
I miss the time when stories would just go straight to the point without beating around the bush for so long. Peridea seems like a fascinating world with a no less fascinating history and I want to find out more about it, far more. Too bad there's so little time left to do that after it took all of five episodes for the characters to find a way across the universe, when this could all have been achieved within the first couple of episodes if Filoni (and co) had been more focused on the important stuff.
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I think I would have preferred Thrawn to actually honor the agreement and simply allow Sabine to find Ezra and let them be. Make it clear she's either stranded with Ezra on Peridea or cuffed in a cell back to GFFA. Makes him more honorable and less snivelly villainy. The two barely pose a threat to him anyway, especially Sabine on her own.
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Same issue with all of Star Wars. All planets we see have breathable air (although there seem to be some aliens wth breathing masks or helmets), the same gravity, alike vegetation; humans are ubiquitous, animals are found on several worlds. The reasons are obvious, and as a result SW looks more like a fantasy series where everything happens on the same world in different ecosystems. In that, Peridea would be a remote island in the middle of an uncharted ocean, but still in-world.
I see most of these issues just as a consequence of practicality of filming and storytelling. There are interesting SF novels set in really exotic worlds, and their main attraction is that alien-ness, but for the kind of story that SW generally tells, that is not a suitable setting. SW will always be bound to earth-like worlds. Even the exotics, like Felucia, have an oxygenated atmosphere and Earth gravity. I didn't have much different expectation for Peridea, and I was already delighted by the ring-from-Purgill-bones idea.
That said, yes, Peridea could have played a little more on the ruins-of-Dathomiri civilization angle. We do see some monuments and weird rocks, but I admit: Pandora it ain't.
(Though, neither the Noti nor the plunderers speak Basic.)
That's totally your fantasy of what Thrawn did or did not, however. What we see in the episode is just the fruition of the most recently completed plan; we do not know when that plan was actually hatched. Of course we can imagine that Thrawn arrived at Peridea, struck a deal with the Nightmothers on day five, and then sat around repairing his Star Destroyer for the rest of the decade.
I don't, though, and I don't see why anybody else who considers Thrawn smart and resourceful would. There is a decade of stories here, with Thrawn exploring the galaxy under the limitations of provisions and fuel, trying to find an intergalactic transport, striking deals with local people, getting into conflicts... before resorting to the Nightmothers and their "dark magick". Maybe we'll hear more about that time in a later episode (oops, only two left).
I see where you come from, though. Incidentally, I just read an article in a local SF magazine about this phenomenon (it referred to Star Trek but it applies here as well): a character is taken out of "retirement" after years, and it seems that they had no life in the meantime - put on a waiting loop until they are needed again. In reality, life would have gone on for that character, but it is not referred on screen, and if it is, it amounts to a fruitless pointless life that apparently needs the new on-screen events to be shaken up and put the character back into the same position they once were in.
Thrawn is doubtlessly in a similar situation (story-wise). Without knowing anything about his lost decade, we might as well assume he's gotten parked over Peridea, and he's getting returned (reinstated) to his previous role as powerful foe for the heroes. (When in reality, he might have started to carve out his own local empire in the Peridea galaxy, or at least built some industry and mining on Peridea itself to become self-supporting, no longer caring for the GFFA at all.) This is a necessity of the plot. Naturally, it creates a gap and open questions that we as audience need to fill by ourselves, at least until the next episodes or a Marvel comic answer them.
Regarding Elsbeth; we know that she was an associate of his in the days before the Galactic Civil War; we know little about their actual relationship. It is likely that Thrawn knows about her Dathomiri ancestry so he might have told the Nightmothers to contact her. I suppose there is at least some measure of trust between them, but Thrawn would not be Thrawn if he just trusts anybody without taking precautions.
Uh, I tend to strongly disagree. At least there are dentists on Tatooine.
Obi-Wan's exile is based on the role he plays and the mission he chose, and if he wanted, he could just leave. Ezra is stranded; even if there are other settled worlds in that galaxy, he can't reach them (unless there is a spaceport on Peridea, which is not impossible but we have not seen one yet, or be told to expect one).
But that is a sidetrack anyway.
I agree that the map stuff took more time than it actually needed, and we already had a "map to Skywalker".
However, the map is a neat physical object with some clear functions and visible special effects. Elsbeth being the connection to Peridea would mean a lot of telling instead of showing, explaining and talking about what she's actually doing. The current story leaves out a lot of the pre-story: how Ahsoka got aware of the Thrawn rumors, and followed them back to find out about Elsbeth. Putting Elsbeth in the center would just make it a different story (actually, more about Elsbeth herself); the map McGuffin suits the storytelling purpose well enough.
How major the connection to Peridea (I always want to write Perdita, but that's a different movie) actually is remains to be seen. For the Jedi, it's a myth, childrens' stories that can't be taken seriously. For the Nightsisters, it appears to be true history, and Elsbeth at least knows where the map (one of the maps?) is to be found. But even when the Nightsisters ruled Dathomir, there hasn't been any(?) contact with the mother galaxy, or if there was, it was a huge secret. I don't see anything in the current story that suggests Elsbeth might have found out about Thrawn's presence at Peridea without getting contacted from there.
Sure, you can rewrite the story: Elsbeth knows of the Purrgils and their ability to travel between the galaxies, so she deducts that if Thrawn hasn't returned by himself by now, he must be in the other galaxy. But that opens up other issues (do the Purrgils travel to still other galaxies? would Thrawn leave Peridea and be somewhere else in that galaxy, being hard to find? would Thrawn even be alive after the violent pull?) so we're firmly in "my script is better than your script" territory, and that's usually a fruitless endeavor to discuss.
Sure, the Mothers told her what Thrawn wants her to do. (I suspected the hyperspace ring to be for the Chimaera from the first glimpse; what else would it be for?) We'll see what's in the boxes / coffins later. Although Filoni might move that revelation to the next season.
"Readily available" is not quite what I'd call it if one group regards the information as a myth, and the other group has been eliminated by Sheev in the Clone Wars. And even if Elsbeth had known about Peridea ever since, she couldn't have known that was where the Purrgils took Thrawn (see above). You could explain it with more lore (e.g. Purrgils never leave the GFFA except to die at Peridea) but I'm not too fond of overexplaining for the sake of the plot. Having the Mothers contact her (long enough ago that she would be able to build the hyperspace ring, but not before the fall of the Empire I guess?) is a pretty simple solution that answers all the questions with only a little imagination.
Shooting everyone is a Vader solution, and Vader knows that there are more where these came from. That's a luxury that Thrawn does not have. As you say yourself, Thrawn would not waste potential, and having Jedi under his command is a lot of potential. (Does he know about Luke? What did Elsbeth tell him already through the mothers?)
But you got me there: I should not have said "get rid of them all" (I do overdramatize, I confess) but "get rid of those of his minions that he cannot trust". Baylan and Shin are potential allies, and putting them to the test seems pretty logical. What are his options regarding Sabine, Ezra, Baylan, and Shin?
- He can just let Sabine go, and leave with the SD. The risk seems fairly low, as it is not even clear whether Sabine would find Ezra in time, or even survive the marauders. And if she finds him, what would they do, launch an attack on Thrawn? Well, there is a certain risk. Also, this does not solve the question what to do with Baylan and Shin.
- Follow Sabine with his own troops, let her find Ezra, and use the opportunity to wipe them out. Or call back the troops and leave, if she never finds Ezra. Same chances, probably lower risk (Thrawn doesn't know about plot armor), but there are still Baylan and Shin.
- Shoot Sabine on the spot. Doesn't change the Ezra issue but Thrawn doesn't seem to be too concerned about him.
- Put Sabine back in her cell. She can't do anything anyway.
- Now, Baylan and Shin: Thrawn can just do nothing. That would leave him with wild cards running free in his Star Destroyer. They may take the side of the Jedi, or of Morgan, or obey Thrawn after all, or desert altogether - Thrawn doesn't know. Risky, especially since Baylan is still a Jedi of old.
- Thrawn can have them shot on the spot. Since they are Force users, this will cost him quite some men, it will not please Elsbeth, and it may even result in Baylan and Shin escaping and plotting revenge. Bad solution, strike this.
- Thrawn can arrest them or maroon them on Peridea. Almost as bad, since he would antagonize them (and Elsbeth) for no definite reason. Making enemies without good cause? No thanks.
What Thrawn ultimately does is checking the card values to a degree. Sending Baylan and Shin after Sabine and Ezra will prove whether they will follow his command, or side with the Jedi. In the first case, the Ezra issue is solved, and Thrawn knows Baylan can be trusted as far as mercenaries can (or he's very very ruthless). If Baylan fails, nothing is lost; maybe Ezra's position gets weakened, and Thrawn's own men can kill him, or maybe leaving Ezra and Sabine behind is enough. If Baylan suddenly develops a conscience and doesn't kill Ezra, Thrawn can leave them stranded (and can argue the case for Elsbeth). If Baylan actually sides with Ezra against Thrawn - okay, that may get to be an issue, but at least it reveals Baylan as the traitor he is, and gives Thrawn a chance to maroon them or have them killed via TIE bomber instead of having Baylan and Shin breathing down his neck all the time.
This whole decision tree comes down to Baylan and Shin - not to Sabine and Ezra. If it were not for the merc Jedi, Thrawn might be as well off just letting Sabine go and leave for the GFFA.
There's still the issue that Baylan has a plan of his own, but Thrawn doesn't know about this one, so he cannot take it into account.
Having Baylan and Shin kill Ezra hardly antagonizes them; that's what they get paid for. (From their very first appearance, it's clear that they don't have any qualms about killing anyway.) As for the rest, see prior quote.
Leaving Baylan and Shin to their own devices is precisely the crux of the matter.
Of course, the next chapter may give us some revelations that derail the whole train of thought. So, until next Wednesday...
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One could argue that obviously they only the visit the ones with breathable atmosphere, so those are the only ones we see. However, many years ago, in our RPG games we half joked that in Star Wars there is air in space. It’s why the ships make noise and explode. It’s why space colonization was so relatively easy. You’ll still die in space due to temperature extremes and because the air is too thin where it hasn’t concentrated around the gravity of a planet.
One thing I hate about newer Star Wars, along with hyperspace travel connecting all places in seemingly a matter of hours, is how the word “planet” is tossed around as casually as “town”. People say “planet” as of they’re dealing with a place that consists of maybe 5 square miles. “Let’s have a look around this planet” or “this planet’s taken”. As if the whole planet is just one small town where everyone knows each other. In my personal experience from living on a planet myself, it lacks verisimilitude.
Lars Mikkelsen actually voiced Thrawn in Rebels.
I've never really viewed hyperspace as anything other than a way to get from place to place in the Star Wars universe. It's basically a plot device that exists so it DOESN'T take extended periods of time to travel between planets. And if we had that technology, we'd probably start thinking of planets as "towns" too. Characters' perception of planets is relative to their ability to travel to and from them. It used to take people weeks, if not months, to travel from Europe to North America. Now, we do it in a matter of hours. Technology has changed the way we relate to great distances. I don't see it as being any different in the SW universe.
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I come from the era where we viewed it as being like Age of Sail. There were serious logistical problems with it. This view was basically a reverse-engineering of how interplanetary travel and fleets and so on are depicted in the OT.
Having everyone be a couple hours from everyone else retroactively raises too many problems with older works, to me. And chips away at the SWU being its own thing. Hyperspace has become like teleportation. I think in Andor the ISB officer talked about jetting off to some planet like it was taking the train into the city for a meeting. I think it’s getting kinda silly. Now it’s apparently easy to go to other galaxies, but for some reason basically no one ever did. Very weird.
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If reaching any planet within the galaxy only takes a matter of hours, the Clone Wars would've lasted one afternoon. I take it hyperspace still takes actual days, if not weeks. They just never focus on it because it'll meddle with a sense of urgency or joy most SW stories go for.
I also like to think space in GFFA is actually some sort of ether like in Treasure Planet. As Tauntaunscout said, it would account for sound and the survivability of many a spaced character.
I also like to think space in GFFA is actually some sort of ether like in Treasure Planet. As Tauntaunscout said, it would account for sound and the survivability of many a spaced character.
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Yes , the same for me. Travel feels the same to me. Traveling to another galaxy isn't done because it's not be advantageous to expend resources to take that time.
Heck, in Empire Strikes Back, the Rebel fleet is outside the galaxy and the Lando flies back. Travel is always just a narrative convention.
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They couldn’t have kept Sabine cuffed, and in a cell with no amenities, for days or weeks. There’s more of us, Poe”, couldn’t have happened if it takes days or weeks. Dedra in Andor treated interplanetary travel as no great time commitment. There’s more examples. It’s definitely handled very differently now. And it’s weird for the universe because as you say about the clone wars, old battle scenes would have been resolved when the side with the most resources brought irresistible force to bear after contact was made with the enemy.
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Doesn’t seem to take much time in Ahsoka.
How do we know it’s outside the galaxy? Never in my million rewatches did I hear anyone say so.
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You can freaking see the entire galaxy from the medical frigate!
Feels the same as in Empire or ROTJ to me, especially with Luke and company having to rejoin each other.
I've been a Star Wars fan since 1977 and I have no idea what "era" you're referring to or who "we" are.
I just think you're getting way too hung up on the logistics and science of the SW universe. Space travel is just a common, everyday practice. If I watch a movie set on modern-day Earth, and two characters drive from New York to Boston, I can't say I give much thought to the logistics of their trip. The characters needed to get somewhere and they got there using the available, appropriate technology. In that case, probably a car. In Star Wars, probably a ship with hyperdrive.
And like Rushie said, we're obviously not seeing the entire trip so it could absolutely take days or weeks. I just don't really see this being that big of an issue and I certainly don't think Ahsoka handles it much differently than any other movie or TV show.
@Caas_Sandhri Another lengthy post, it'll take me some time to digest and reply back, but I wanted to immediately react to this:
Because again, if there is a way for the Nightsisters to communicate in any meaningful way with Elsbeth, then why not just tell her where the planet is, and the map subplot becomes - yet again - superfluous.
If there is a need for a map, then Elsbeth and the Nightsisters cannot have shared meaningful information from galaxies away. Unless the audience need to introduce yet more improbable explanations tofill that plot hole, eg. Well they're powerful enough to order a giant Hyperspace Ring from Elsbeth but not knowledgeable enough to know where their own planet is.
This we can immediately discount as impossible.
Because again, if there is a way for the Nightsisters to communicate in any meaningful way with Elsbeth, then why not just tell her where the planet is, and the map subplot becomes - yet again - superfluous.
If there is a need for a map, then Elsbeth and the Nightsisters cannot have shared meaningful information from galaxies away. Unless the audience need to introduce yet more improbable explanations tofill that plot hole, eg. Well they're powerful enough to order a giant Hyperspace Ring from Elsbeth but not knowledgeable enough to know where their own planet is.
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Yes, I definitely am trying to save Filoni. I received an email from a Nigerian prince requestion 10,000 for his safe return.
Well I edited that part of the post precisely to avoid that kind of witty replies, but too late I guess.
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I prefer sarcasm and witty replies
Also, filling plot holes is what I've seen Star Wars fans do for decades now. So I find that inoffensive, I guess.
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He kind of did with his line about leaving them dead or stranded. He doesn't see them as being enough of a threat to his plans to even warrant a "Kill them" order. He's just telling Baylan that to get rid of Baylan.
A couple of thoughts. When Episode 5 came out I thought it was great....because there was no Sabine. Watching Episode 6 I enjoyed it and there was no Ahsoka. Episode 4 I also really enjoyed but only when Sabine and Ahsoka split up.
I think Huyang's full of it. They aren't better when they are together. The best moments in the show are when they aren't together.
Unrelated but it looked like the Chimaera no longer had a hyperdrive. There were just 3 giant holes where the engines used to be.
As far as it not taking a long time to jump from place to place when traveling through hyperspace, I don't mind it that much. It doesn't really matter with the mechanics of the show. It's used like a cut away cut back. Star Wars hasn't really used the ticking clock when traveling this way so it doesn't matter. It's not like Star Trek in which ships pursue each other through warp. Or when they absolutely break the physics of warp by making the trip one direction take a long time and take seconds coming back. Star Trek Into Darkness....you really don't understand distance. It still grinds my gears when the Enterprise is knocked out of warp early on it's way back to earth yet somehow is right near earth. Like when were you going to put on the brakes??
Lightspeed is just so the story doesn't all take place on one planet. Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy with a sci-fi costume on but it's not even close to realistic.
You want realistic. Watch The Expanse.
I think Huyang's full of it. They aren't better when they are together. The best moments in the show are when they aren't together.
Unrelated but it looked like the Chimaera no longer had a hyperdrive. There were just 3 giant holes where the engines used to be.
As far as it not taking a long time to jump from place to place when traveling through hyperspace, I don't mind it that much. It doesn't really matter with the mechanics of the show. It's used like a cut away cut back. Star Wars hasn't really used the ticking clock when traveling this way so it doesn't matter. It's not like Star Trek in which ships pursue each other through warp. Or when they absolutely break the physics of warp by making the trip one direction take a long time and take seconds coming back. Star Trek Into Darkness....you really don't understand distance. It still grinds my gears when the Enterprise is knocked out of warp early on it's way back to earth yet somehow is right near earth. Like when were you going to put on the brakes??
Lightspeed is just so the story doesn't all take place on one planet. Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's fantasy with a sci-fi costume on but it's not even close to realistic.
You want realistic. Watch The Expanse.
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Thrawn disposing of the Jedi mercs would be a waste of valuable allies. Baylan might not be entirely loyal towards Thrawn, but he's not actively working against him either. He just has a side project that required a ride to this galaxy.
Then again, this Thrawn wasn't wise enough to fetch himself some Ysalamiri, so his awareness of Baylan is somewhat excused.
Then again, this Thrawn wasn't wise enough to fetch himself some Ysalamiri, so his awareness of Baylan is somewhat excused.
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When we really only had the OT.
More specifically I am a fan of the West End Roleplaying Game which laid out how long space travel took. Hours or days within a system. Weeks or months to cross the galaxy. Depended on the exact locations and how good your ship was. Which is fine to say that doesn't count because it's not a core movie or show. But then it's just one more argument on the pile of why I won't respect canon du jour. Why bother learning the stuff if they'll delete it?
Sure but what if they seemingly hop from Bejing to Boston in time to intercept people who we know just left MIT for downtown Boston? Homestly for the First Order to keep chasing down the heroes, interplanetary travel must have taken minutes. The ST was bad like that but the shows are starting to do the same thing. It's like people flit from core worlds to the outer rim and it's seemingly no big deal. It's an aspect of Star Wars writing that seems to have gotten really sloppy. At least throw in some sense of the passage of time.
Maybe it's subjective but Luke's training scene made it seem like they'd been on the Falcon a long time. The small fortune that an interplanetary charter cost also intimated that it was a serious thing. A quick scene planning the fleet's jump to hyperspace in ROTJ made it seem like a serious thing. Whereas the scenes on the bridge of the hyperspace ring made it seem like a quick jaunt. Like I said they didn't take Sabine's cuffs of, or, I think even put her in a cell with a bed so how long could it have been? Whereas having Leia be asleep when Luke opened her cell gave an impression that time had been passing.
I think the ST directors used hyperspace like casual magic (like they did using The Force to teleport a lightsaber). And unfortunately the new normal has stuck. Maybe the prequels did too and I just don't remember, I haven't watched them since they were new.
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If I want realism I go in for the actual real world. That being said, a big part of what I liked about Star Wars (as opposed to other "kids" franchises) was a gritty verisimilitude that seems to be going away. They're really chipping away at the "lived in" atmosphere of Star Wars.
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And by sparing Sabine, Thrawn unintentionally gave himself another bargaining chip against Ahsoka.
If the semi-functional Star Destroyer, Intergalactic Hyperspace Ring armed with turbo-lasers, legion of hardened Stormtroopers, Nightsister Mothers, and their catacomb full of “relics” doesn’t deter Ahsoka, there’s always the “Oh, I spared Lady Wren’s life. If she isn’t dead yet, she’s out there by herself with two Force wielders hunting her down.”
If the semi-functional Star Destroyer, Intergalactic Hyperspace Ring armed with turbo-lasers, legion of hardened Stormtroopers, Nightsister Mothers, and their catacomb full of “relics” doesn’t deter Ahsoka, there’s always the “Oh, I spared Lady Wren’s life. If she isn’t dead yet, she’s out there by herself with two Force wielders hunting her down.”
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Well, TPM had the party go from Naboo to Tatooine using sublight, was that really the closest safe planet? How long did that take? Kamino being just outside the GFFA didn't seem to be much of an issue in AotC. ST has lightspeed skipping, ESB spends most of the Falcon's screentime in sublight travelling to another system. All without clear timeline indicators.
I guess this is just one of those things you're supposed to shrug over
I guess this is just one of those things you're supposed to shrug over
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The prequels and sequels are not ideal examples to follow... Depictions of hyperspace are just gonna be some thing I subjectively dislike about New Wars. If there's enough things in the "pros" column like in The Mandalorian or Rogue One I'll still like the project. If not, it's one more thing in the "cons" column determining that I don't like it. So far, despite this last episode, Ahsoka is still "just OK" to me. It's not bad, but I'm not gonna dedicate time to rewatching it like I have other SW stuff. On the other hand I won't, in all likelihood, have anything really bad to say about it when the series is over though. It's like Tool Time or Silver Spoons or something to me, "just TV".
That could be any number of "cool space things" used as ornamentation of the scene. Never occurred to me it was the entire Star Wars Galaxy.
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It's not the Star Wars Galaxy, it's the Rishi Maze, a neighboring dwarf galaxy. If it was the whole Star Wars galaxy you wouldn't see all those stars surrounding it. It would be a lot more sparse.
They are definitely way out there on the edge hiding, but they aren't outside the galaxy.
They are definitely way out there on the edge hiding, but they aren't outside the galaxy.
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